YESHUAH DID NOT FULFILL PROPHECY
- Yeshuah did not build the Third Temple, as Prophecy says the Messiah will (Ezekiel 37:26-28)
- Yeshuah did not gather all the Jews back to Israel, as Prophecy says the Messiah will (Isaiah 43:5-6)
- Yeshuah did not usher in an era of world peace, as Prophecy says the Messiah will (Isaiah 2:4)
- Yeshuah did not bring the entire world to G-d, as Prophecy says the Messiah will (Zechariah 14:9)
Christians hold to a Second Coming, yet Prophecy says all of these will be fulfilled outright.
MISTRANSLATIONS
- The Messiah had to be descended from David on his father's side... but Yeshuah was "born of a virgin" (Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1)
Isaiah 7:14, which is translated as to requiring a virgin birth, is mistranslated. Alma is used a few other times in Tanakh, and it never once refers to a virgin but just an adolescent female, virgin or not. - Psalms 22:16 is commonly mistranslated as "They have pierced my hands and feet" but it uses the word ki-ari... like a lion. When properly translated, it reads "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet"
- Isaiah 53 is commonly interpreted as meaning the Messiah will be a suffering servant, but this in incorrect. Isaiah 53 follows Isaiah 52 in that it is referring to ISRAEL, and NOT the Messiah.
- The Trinity - G-d as Three (Matthew 28:19)
"Hear O Israel, the L-rd our G-d, the L-rd is ONE" (Deut. 6:4) - Man as G-d (John 10:30)
"G-d is not a mortal" (Numbers 23:19)
I will close with saying that while Yeshuah may not be Messiah, he has served his role. Scripture states that the Messiah will bring the entire world to Torah, how much easier this will be when most of the world already follow a watered-down version of it!
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-btw, this is serf-
Let's see here...
-Yeshuah did not build the Third Temple, as Prophecy says the Messiah will (Ezekiel 37:26-28)
Ezekiel 37:26-28
“And I shall make a covenant of peace with them – an everlasting covenant it is with them. And I shall place them and increase them, and shall place My set-apart place in their midst, forever. “And My Dwelling Place shall be over them. And I shall be their Elohim, and they shall be My people. “And the gentiles shall know that I, יהוה, am setting Yisra’ĕl apart, when My set-apart place is in their midst – forever.” ’ ”
-ISR
here's the JPS:
Ezekiel 37:26-28
Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them - it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; and I will establish them, and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in the midst of them for ever.
My dwelling-place also shall be over them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. And the nations shall know that I am the LORD that sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for ever.'
Sanctuary doesn't mean Temple. I could say that once Messiah came, He enabled us to have a direct relationship with the Father, thus allowing Him to have sanctuary and dwell in me forever.
-Yeshuah did not gather all the Jews back to Israel, as Prophecy says the Messiah will (Isaiah 43:5-6)
Isaiah 43:5-6
Do not fear, for I am with you. I shall bring your seed from the east, and gather you from the west “I shall say to the north, ‘Give them up!’ And to the south, ‘Do not keep them back!’ Bring My sons from afar, and My daughters from the ends of the earth
-ISR
Two things, where does the passage even refer to the Messiah? It is a prophecy from God about the future.
Plus, as Mattbob pointed out on Mypraize, if this is referring to the Messiah, where does it say it must be while He is on earth?
-Yeshuah did not usher in an era of world peace, as Prophecy says the Messiah will (Isaiah 2:4)
Isaiah 2:4
And He shall judge between the nations, and shall reprove many peoples. And they shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither teach battle any more.
Where's the time limit?
-Yeshuah did not bring the entire world to G-d, as Prophecy says the Messiah will (Zechariah 14:9)
Zechariah 14:9
And יהוה shall be Sovereign over all the earth1. In that day there shall be one יהוה, and His Name one.
Sounds like John's vision, described in Revelation.
"yet Prophecy says all of these will be fulfilled outright."
No source?
"Isaiah 7:14, which is translated as to requiring a virgin birth, is mistranslated. Alma is used a few other times in Tanakh, and it never once refers to a virgin but just an adolescent female, virgin or not."
This assumes that it can't be both. Plus, according to Strong's (yes, I know, the horrid Strong's Concordance), the word is translated virgin in Song of Solomon 1:3 and 6:8.
Although, the translation I've been using in this post (ISR) translates all of these passages as "maiden", not "virgin."
"# Psalms 22:16 is commonly mistranslated as "They have pierced my hands and feet" but it uses the word ki-ari... like a lion. When properly translated, it reads "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet"
Meh, one translation verses another, all the translations I have say pierced.
"Isaiah 53 is commonly interpreted as meaning the Messiah will be a suffering servant, but this in incorrect. Isaiah 53 follows Isaiah 52 in that it is referring to ISRAEL, and NOT the Messiah."
You're kidding right? It all depends on how you see it. It's prophecy, no one interpretation is written in stone, so to speak.
Trinity...meh, imperfect man describing perfect God. It's not perfect. And it's not a requirement for Salvation.
"Man as G-d (John 10:30)
"G-d is not a mortal" (Numbers 23:19)"
But ya'll debate that Messiah puts the Father's will before His, so to know Messiah is to know the Father. Yet this does not necessarily mean that Messiah IS God.
"I will close with saying that while Yeshuah may not be Messiah, he has served his role. Scripture states that the Messiah will bring the entire world to Torah, how much easier this will be when most of the world already follow a watered-down version of it!"
With respect, if you're serious, then it sounds like you're all set for an antichrist to come, as prophesied in Revelation.
Reading this post saddens me...but I'm sure you'll say there's no reason to be sad. ;)
I'm praying that Hashem reveals Truth to both of us. :)
meh, I should've colored my posts so you could tell the difference...sorry it's hard to read.
It's OK Ben, I can read it easy enough.
Two things, where does the passage even refer to the Messiah?
Context Ben.
All of chapter 43 refers to the Messiah, as well as 42 before it.
Plus, as Mattbob pointed out on Mypraize, if this is referring to the Messiah, where does it say it must be while He is on earth?
Where does it say it won't be?
The Second Coming was told of in the NT, but was never ONCE mentioned in Tanakh. If there was to be a Second Coming, would not the Prophets have mentioned it?
Meh, one translation verses another, all the translations I have say pierced.
The translations you have are wrong.
ka'ari = Like a Lion
dakar = Pierced.
Ka'ari does not, never has, and never will mean "Pierced" except for in the faulty translations.
You're kidding right? It all depends on how you see it. It's prophecy, no one interpretation is written in stone, so to speak.
Actually, no, I'm not kidding. Isaiah 53 is NOT a Messianic Prophecy, and no real Messianic Prophecy casts about this image of a suffering servant found in Christian lore.
Well, I guess we disagree. ;)
as I said before, I'm praying that Hashem reveals Truth to both of us. :)
Aye. And THAT I will agree with. Let His Holy Truth be revealed to all of us.
Amen.
*looks around* Oh, yeah. I'm here. Hi.
And, for the record Ben, Jared is right. Isaiah 53 isn't a Messianic prophecy, and none of the Messianic prophecies portray the "suffering servant" model prevalent in Christian thought. In fact, the Messiah was never meant to BE a world-wide "forgiver". I don't know, in all my years of knowing and believing the Messianic prophecies, of ONE that states the Moshiach (Messiah) will save ANYONE from their sins.
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